Kissed Frogs
Leads that were checked and turned out not to be Great House Farm / Tŷ Mawr, Llandough-juxta-Penarth, or not in scope. Each is kept with its source and the reason, so nobody checks it twice. 48 entries: 24 from the wiki’s screening register, 9 from its list of archive items that are not this farm, and 15 added on 25 October 2026.
Scope test
Scope test. Every item is assessed against three distinct questions: (1) title and parcel identity; (2) an evidenced act of deception, concealment or knowing misrepresentation; and (3) a documented public-authority decision, handling step or involvement. A source may be irrelevant to title but useful to the government-involvement chronology. A source-code assertion, a repeated Wiki paragraph or an archive search result is not independent proof of the assertion it repeats.
| Lead | Date | Place | Source | Why not ours | Status |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| KF-06 NLW D 219 — Llandough Farm, 166 acres | Catalogue (Bute estate leases) | Llandough parish | National Library of Wales D 219 | A separate 166-acre farm, not the 107-acre Cydfin / Tŷ Mawr holding. | Separate farm Wiki register |
| KF-08 Repository/app assertions of a 1667 “99-year” or “999-year” lease and of a 1983 title merger described as “proven” wrongdoing | 1667 / 1983 (as worded in the app) | — | Repository and app text | App wording with no instrument behind it. | Assertion only Wiki register |
| KF-48 The “1924 Stewart survey” line “Late Thos. Williams now John Gedrick Tent.” — it is the 1824 Bute survey | 1824 (not 1924) | Cedfin or Ty Mawr Farm, Llandough-juxta-Penarth | EV-0211 (Glamorgan Archives DB/E/1 plan 19) | A dating slip: the record is ours, but it belongs to 1824. | Dating correction Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-31 Tithe-map copies (D160/1–4) | Undated | Cadoxton / Llantwit juxta Neath, Glyncorrwg | Glamorgan Archives D160/1–4 | Tithe maps of other parishes. | Not our land Wiki: photographed, not our farm |
| KF-13 Llandough Farm, the Rees family farm ( EV-0228 ; 1841 tithe, press 1865–1910), the 1940 WGR tenancy to David and Thomas Thomas ( EV-0233 ), and the dictated “R-W-S-S / Reese’s Farm” wording ( EV-0223 ) | 1841–1940 | Llandough-juxta-Penarth | EV-0228, EV-0233, EV-0223, EV-0224 | A neighbouring farm in the same parish. | Separate farm Wiki register |
| KF-09 “Farm rents” versus “cottage / reserved rents” headings in Bute rentals | Bute rentals (volume not yet identified) | Bute estate | Bute rental account headings | A heading alone does not identify a parcel. | Lead only Wiki register |
| KF-01 EV-0213 — 6 November 1877 Clyde Street, Roath counterpart | 6 Nov 1877 | Clyde Street, Roath, Cardiff | EV-0213 (photographs, Glamorgan Archives) | A Roath building plot leased to a builder, not the farm. | Not our farm Wiki register |
| KF-02 DBDT/79/1 — 2 May 1877 Pembroke Terrace, Cardiff | 2 May 1877 | Pembroke Terrace, Cardiff | Glamorgan Archives DBDT/79/1 | A Cardiff lease with no mention of Llandough. | Not our farm Wiki register |
| KF-03 DBDT/18/1 — catalogue lead for November 1877, Clyde Street, Roath | Nov 1877 | Clyde Street, Roath, Cardiff | Glamorgan Archives catalogue DBDT/18/1 | Catalogue line, possibly the same Roath deed; not a second source. | Catalogue only Wiki register |
| KF-04 DBDT/1/3 — July 1877 Adamsdown Square, Cardiff | Jul 1877 | Adamsdown Square, Cardiff | Glamorgan Archives catalogue DBDT/1/3 | Cardiff premises, not a Llandough tenancy. | Not our farm Wiki register |
| KF-29 6 Nov 1877 counterpart lease to John Williams (none visible) | 6 Nov 1877 | Clyde Street, Roath, Cardiff | EV-0213 | A Roath building plot. | Not our farm Wiki: photographed, not our farm |
| KF-32 2 May 1877 lease (earlier finding) (DBDT/79/1) | 2 May 1877 | Pembroke Terrace, Cardiff | Glamorgan Archives DBDT/79/1 | A Cardiff lease. | Not our farm Wiki: photographed, not our farm |
| KF-11 EV-0234 — 15 June 1878 agreement and July 1878 award, Thomas Williams and the Ynysawdre Coal Co. | 15 Jun and Jul 1878 | Ynysawdre, near Bridgend | EV-0234 (family photographs, Glamorgan Archives) | A Bridgend farm, not ours. | Not our farm Wiki register |
| KF-30 Thomas Williams and Ynysawdre Coal Co., 15 Jun 1878 (not legible) | 15 Jun 1878 | Ynysawdre, near Bridgend | EV-0234 | A Bridgend farm. | Not our farm Wiki: photographed, not our farm |
| KF-12 “Great House” and “Llandough Farm” near Cowbridge in directories and press: Slater’s 1880 p.390 “Thomas David, Great House” (flagged in EV-0225 ); BNA hits for the 1938 and 1942 “Great House Farm, Llandough” sales; Glamorgan Gazette, 7 May 1915, “Mr. David Thomas, Llandough Farm” | 1880–1942 | Llandough near Cowbridge | Slater's 1880 p.390; BNA 1938, 1942; Glamorgan Gazette 7 May 1915 | Directory and press entries for the Cowbridge farm. | Not our farm Wiki register |
| KF-33 Press reports of Thomases “of Great House Farm, Llandough”, 1881–1910 (added 22 Oct 2026) (Welsh Newspapers Online: Cardiff Times, 23 Apr 1881, p.4; Barry Dock News, 5 Dec 1890, p.6 and Cardiff Times, 6 Dec 1890, p.6 (Cowbridge Fat Stock Show); Glamorgan Gazette, 14 Oct 1910, p.8) | 1881–1910 | Llandough near Cowbridge | Cardiff Times 23 Apr 1881; Barry Dock News 5 Dec 1890; Cardiff Times 6 Dec 1890; Glamorgan Gazette 14 Oct 1910 | Press items for the Cowbridge Thomases. | Not our farm Wiki: photographed, not our farm |
| KF-10 Marconi material, archaeology, heritage photographs and general newspaper coverage | Various | Llandough and Lavernock | Marconi material, archaeology, photographs, press | Context for the site's history, not title evidence. | Context only Wiki register |
| KF-27 Memoir of David Thomas (DCO/WHS/2) | Undated | Llandough near Cowbridge | Glamorgan Archives DCO/WHS/2 | Memoir from the Cowbridge farm. | Not our farm Wiki: photographed, not our farm |
| KF-28 “Proposed Houses – Llandough for Mr John Williams” (none visible) | Undated | Llandough near Cowbridge (from Llysworney) | Glamorgan Archives (no reference visible) | Plan sits beside Llysworney, near Cowbridge. | Not our farm Wiki: photographed, not our farm |
| KF-14 “William Williams, of Llandough Farm” (1903) and “Jenkin Morgan Williams, Llandough Farm” (1914) ( EV-0238 ) | 1903, 1914 | Llandough | EV-0238 | No link to Great House Farm shown. | Unexplained Wiki register |
| KF-38 “John Williams, Great House Farm, Llandough, was also fined £1” for travelling without a fare (Barry magistrates, Mar 1903) | 12 Feb / 6 Mar 1903 | Barry Railway, Grangetown to Cogan | Barry Dock News 6 Mar 1903; Barry Herald 6 Mar 1903 | Our farm's name in a railway-fare case: no bearing on title or tenure. | Ours — outside the title question Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-39 “John Williams, farmer, Llandough, was fined 20s.” (Penarth police court, Oct 1904) | Oct 1904 | Penarth | Evening Express 12 Oct 1904 p.3 (snippet) | A licensing fine; which John Williams of Llandough is not settled, and it has no bearing on title. | Out of scope Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-41 Cardiff Corporation's injunction against Llandaff & Dinas Powis Rural District Council over Ely effluent (Local Government Board inquiry, 1904) | Jun 1904 | River Ely and Cardiff's western sewer | Evening Express 15 Jun 1904; Weekly Mail 18 Jun 1904 | A dispute between two councils about waste draining into the sewer; it does not concern the farm or the 1905 grant. | Out of scope Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-43 The 1904 “one piece of land” arbitration flagged before the sewer easements (it apparently never happened) | Jun 1904 – May 1907 | The Bute land on the western sewer line | Weekly Mail 11 Jun 1904; Evening Express 9 Jun 1904; Cardiff Times 4 May 1907 | Never held: the corporation settled with the landowners without arbitration. | Out of scope Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-36 Marquess of Bute v Seymour; Marquess of Bute v White; Barry Railway Co v Seymour; Barry Railway Co v White (Llandough right of way, 1905) | 20–29 Mar 1905 | Fields between the Cardiff–Sully road and Eastbrook (Green Seys / Cornerswell side), Llandough | Evening Express 20, 28, 29, 31 Mar 1905; Western Mail 21, 23 Mar 1905 | Bute land on the Cornerswell side of the parish; no Williams and no Great House appears in any report. | Not our farm Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-44 “Cardiff City Corporation” as grantee of the 23 Feb 1905 Bute conveyance (Land Registry wording) | 23 Feb 1905 | Woodland on the north-east side of Leckwith Road, Llandough | Title WA735527, charges register entry 1 | A name slip: Cardiff became a city only in Oct 1905, so the grantee was then the County Borough. | Name correction Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-45 Re Nisbet and Potts' Contract [1906] 1 Ch 386 (Court of Appeal) — a precedent, not a farm case | 1906 | Not Llandough (a reported case) | [1906] 1 Ch 386 (CA) | A reported precedent on adverse possession and covenants; it is not about Llandough land. | Precedent Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-46 “R. Hopkin, Great House, Llangadock” (prize list, 1906) | 26 Jun 1906 | Llangadock, Carmarthenshire | Evening Express 26 Jun 1906 p.4 | A Great House in Carmarthenshire, not Llandough. | Not our farm Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-37 Poaching on Great House Farm, Llandough, prosecuted for the Bute Estate (Barry police court, Jan 1908) | Jan 1908 | Great House Farm, Llandough-juxta-Penarth | Evening Express 11 Jan 1908; Barry Dock News 17 Jan 1908 | Our farm, but a game prosecution: nothing in it bears on title or tenure. | Ours — outside the title question Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-34 “Mr. David Thomas, of Great House Farm, Llandough” (90th birthday, 1910), the 1907 “STRAYED” advert and the Glamorgan Hunt kennels farm | 1871–1910 | Llandough near Cowbridge | 1871 census RG10/5417; Slater's 1880; Glamorgan Gazette 14 Oct 1910 p.8; Cardiff Times 23 Apr 1910 p.10 | The census puts David Thomas at the Cowbridge Great House; our farm was the Williamses'. | Not our farm Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-40 Whyte & Co. Ltd v Cardiff Corporation (Western Sewer contract arbitration, 1910–1912) | 1910–1912 | Western District outfall sewer (Cardiff to Lavernock, through Llandough) | Evening Express 11 Jun 1906, 14 Jul 1910; Western Mail 7 Mar, 24 Oct 1912; Dublin Builder 25 May 1912 | A contractor's money dispute with Cardiff Corporation, not a title or tenant case; it names no farm. | Out of scope Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-47 “A. M. Thomas, Great House, Llanmaes” (show prize list, 1910) | 12 Aug 1910 | Llanmaes, near Llantwit Major | Glamorgan Gazette 12 Aug 1910 p.5 | A Great House at Llanmaes, a third Glamorgan farm of the name. | Not our farm Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-20 Bute estate private spring at Llandough, 1914 Water undertakings Return ( EV-0236 ) | 1914 | Llandough | EV-0236 | Not yet shown to have supplied the farm. | Lead only Wiki register |
| KF-05 “Great House Farm, Llandough” records for Llandough near Cowbridge — DSA/6/1158 (1938 sale), D/DSA6/701 (1924 estate sale), DCO/WHS/2 (David Thomas memoir) | 1924–1938 | Llandough near Cowbridge | Glamorgan Archives DSA/6/1158, D/DSA6/701, DCO/WHS/2 | A different Llandough, near Cowbridge. | Not our farm Wiki register |
| KF-26 Llandough Estate sale, 9 Oct 1924 (incl. Lot 3 “Great House”) (D/DSA6/701) | 9 Oct 1924 | Llanfair and St Hilary | Glamorgan Archives D/DSA6/701 | The Byass Llandough Estate near Cowbridge. | Not our farm Wiki: photographed, not our farm |
| KF-42 “THE LLANDOUGH HOSPITAL. Legal Proceedings Possible” (Western Mail, 4 Oct 1934) | 4 Oct 1934 | Llandough Hospital (a Cardiff Corporation project) | Western Mail 4 Oct 1934 p.9 (snippet); Western Mail 2 Jul 1928 | A building contractor's final account against Cardiff Corporation at the hospital, not the farm. | Out of scope Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-25 Great House Farm sale, 15 Nov 1938 (DSA/6/1158) | 15 Nov 1938 | Llanfair, near Cowbridge | Glamorgan Archives DSA/6/1158 | Sale of the Cowbridge Great House Farm. | Not our farm Wiki: photographed, not our farm |
| KF-35 Llandough Farm (the Corbett / Thomas holding), kept apart from Great House / Tŷ Mawr in the 25 Oct name search | Catalogue; 1940 tenancy | Llandough-juxta-Penarth | NLW D 219; EV-0233 | A separate farmstead: 166 acres in NLW D 219 against 107 acres for Cydfin / Tŷ Mawr. | Separate farm Added 25 Oct 2026 |
| KF-21 Western Ground Rents v William Williams, Idwyndy Cottage, The Garth (Pontypridd county court, 1947): Western Mail 4 Feb 1947 p.3 “GARTH PENSIONER’S CHALLENGE — Did Marquis Own The Land?”; Pontypridd Observer 8 Feb 1947 p.2 and 8 Mar 1947 p.5 “Judgment for plaintiffs, Western Ground Rents, Ltd.” (SNIPPET ONLY; found 19 Oct 2026) | 1947 | The Garth, near Pontypridd | Western Mail 4 Feb 1947 p.3; Pontypridd Observer 8 Feb, 8 Mar 1947 | A Garth cottage, not our farm. | Not our farm Wiki register |
| KF-18 “Cardiff Urban District Council” as the water authority (per Branwen, voice testimony) | 1948–1958 | Cardiff and Penarth | Family voice testimony; SC-22 | No Cardiff Urban District Council existed. | Name correction Wiki register |
| KF-17 Leckwith Common order, 25 Nov 1958: “no petition presented” ( EV-0038 ) | 25 Nov 1958 | Leckwith Common | EV-0038; EV-0037 | Common land, not the water supply. | Hypothesis Wiki register |
| KF-16 Hansard, 7 Dec 1962, Leasehold Bill, cols 1671–72 ( EV-0235 ) | 7 Dec 1962 | Llandough Estate, Penarth | EV-0235 (Hansard cols 1671–72) | Leasehold house sales, not the farm. | Out of scope Wiki register |
| KF-15 Fluoride / “government overreach” lead: per a family voice note (19 Oct 2026), Mary (Nancy) Williams worked with “a guy with fluoride” on “political stuff about government overreach” ( EV-0237 ) | 1972–1989 (file); 19 Oct 2026 (voice note) | Wales | EV-0237 | No documented link found. | On hold Wiki register |
| KF-22 DMP1/4/L.3.3d (Glamorgan Archives): papers of Allan Rogers, MP and later MEP for South East Wales; a 1980–83 “British Petroleum” file among his European Parliament files (catalogue entry read by research, 20 Oct 2026; CATALOGUE ENTRY ONLY) | 1980–1983 | Glamorgan Archives | DMP1/4/L.3.3d (catalogue entry) | No Llandough link on the catalogue entry. | Catalogue only Wiki register |
| KF-23 TNA LT 8/415: British Petroleum Pension Trust v Mrs W. Blake, 1981–84 (Lands Tribunal; filed under the Leasehold Reform Act) (CATALOGUE ENTRY ONLY) | 1981–1984 | Property not named | TNA LT 8/415 (catalogue entry) | Property not named; probably not the farm. | Catalogue only Wiki register |
| KF-19 Commons Registration (Glamorgan) Act 1983 ( EV-0232 ) | 1983 | Glamorgan | EV-0232 | Covers the common-land register only. | Out of scope Wiki register |
| KF-24 Forestry Commission sale list, Hansard written answer of 25 July 1984: Cwrt-yr-alla Woods, 128 ha | 25 Jul 1984 | Cwrt-yr-alla Woods | Hansard written answer, 25 Jul 1984 | Woodland outside Llandough. | Not our land Wiki register |
| KF-07 Old imported Wiki snapshot in bucklerfamily.estate source (imported 23 September 2026) | Imported 23 Sep 2026 | Family website source | bucklerfamily.estate source snapshot | A copy of older wording, not an independent source. | Secondary copy Wiki register |
| KF-49 Proposed floor plan of another property, outside the Tŷ Mawr scope; parked for later inspection | Undated (modern metric drawing); received 27 October 2026 | Another property (not identified) | Architectural drawing image, received 27 October 2026 (no title block, site, author or date) | Another property, outside the Tŷ Mawr scope; parked for later inspection. | Out of scope Added 27 Oct 2026 |
Leads retained as in-scope or potentially in-scope — not “kissed frogs”
- 1881 “Llandough Home Farm”(EV-0224): in scope. The census label; per family testimony it is Great House Farm. Directories put the same John Williams at “Great house” 1868–1901(EV-0225). No other source uses “Home Farm”.
- 1824 DB/E/1 plan 19, “Cedfin or Ty Mawr Farm”(EV-0211): relevant to identity, survey extent and mapping; the present transcription of 139a 3r 8p and the name “John Gedrick” remain provisional. It does not prove a later lease or freehold.
- 1872–1876 Llandough poor-rate books(EV-0212): potentially important because the provisional read shows John Williams rated for a farm under Lord Bute and Daniel Thomas & Son for a lime kiln/quarry. The volume reference, row alignment and link to Tŷ Mawr must be verified.
- Reported Bute–Thomas arrangement and reported John Williams lease(EV-0006; EV-0008): core unresolved leads for the 1877 transaction. The original and matching plan remain unlocated; do not substitute a Cardiff lease.
- 1983 registration files and the 1987 title-file amalgamation: core title/public-administration evidence. Obtain the actual applications, supporting instruments, plans, correspondence and scope of the register change before asserting an error, concealment or knowledge.
- 1987 Llandough Community Council minutes(EV-0214): retain under the public-authority/government-involvement track for the recorded right-of-way, VG41 and BP-agent discussion. They do not by themselves prove ownership, the content of legal advice, or a wrongful act.
Current conclusion: This screening has excluded specific records as matches for the Llandough farm lease; it has not disproved a separate Llandough agreement. No item in this register, merely by being excluded or repeated online, proves wrongdoing, concealment or government complicity. Keep original evidence, record each reason for exclusion, and reopen a lead only when a new reference, full image, plan or independently documented fact changes the test.
Exclusion means “not this property” or “not in scope”, not that the source is false, and not evidence of wrongdoing by itself. The original register stays on the wiki: Kissed Frogs register and Excluded: not our farm.
Kissed Frogs register, version 1.0.0, 25 October 2026.